Saltbush Club: Come Clean on the UN COP24 Meeting in Poland.

By Viv Forbes,

Secretary of the Saltbush Club

The Saltbush Club today called on the Morrison Government to come clean on what additional burdens for Australians are being discussed at COP24, the UN climate jamboree now taking place in Poland.

The Secretary of The Saltbush Club, Mr Viv Forbes of Australia, said that Australia will suffer badly from the destructive energy policies being promoted by the UN’s war on cheap, reliable hydro-carbon fuels.

“Like Solidarity in Poland, the Yellow Vests in France and the new Brazilian government we do not support the UN energy plans and we fear their hidden agenda.

“Australia’s backbone industries were built on cheap reliable power. We have huge overheads in the bureaucracy, academia and the welfare state which must be supported by real industry – mining and smelting, farming, fishing, forestry, processing, transport and manufacturing. These industries rely on hydro-carbon energy – coal, gas, oil, diesel and petrol.

“Because Australia has no nuclear or geothermal power, limited hydro potential, an aging fleet of coal generators and several bans on gas exploration, we are very vulnerable to the UN’s war on hydro-carbons.

“PM Morrison must answer three specific questions:

“Who represents Australia at COP24?

“What instructions have they been given?

“When will he report to the Australian people?

“Australia should sign nothing, agree to nothing and signal its intention to withdraw from the Paris Agreement.

“COP24 will produce zero benefits for Earth’s climate, but their goals are economically irresponsible for those selected to pay the bills.

“The Paris Agreement they seek to enforce is negative for the Australian people, and for everyone not on the climate gravy train.”
Viv Forbes
forbes@saltbushclub.com
Washpool   Qld Australia


Brazil withdraws the welcome mat to Climateers:

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/south-america/brazil-cancels-hosting-climate-change-summit-20181129-p50j61.html

Solidarity questions global warming dogma:
https://nczas.com/2018/12/06/niewiarygodne-solidarnosc-zmadrzala-zwiazkowcy-podwazaja-dogmat-o-globalnym-ociepleniu/

20 thoughts on “Saltbush Club: Come Clean on the UN COP24 Meeting in Poland.

  1. Depends on what you call garbage – if you really believe that CO2 is the key and controllable driver of our climate then go control it and see how far you get – oh and by the way, you will have to stop the sun-spot cycles and re-calibrate the orbits of all the planets (eg: – get rid of gravity and magnetic attraction) in the solar system to ensure we get absolutely constant heat from the sun for the next few million years. Then there’s the cosmic radiation that seeds atmospheric water vapour to form clouds – that will have to moderated as well. Oh, and I forgot, you will have to stop the constant motion of the Earth’s tectonic plates to keep everything in the same position so that the land masses stop rising and falling because that gives the impression that sea levels are changing – and while you’re there, perhaps you could put a halt to all volcanic activity as well. But all in all, keep up the pressure on CO2 – if you can get it low enough you can kill off all life on Earth so that we don’t have to worry about climates any more – but I suppose you didn’t know that CO2 (through plant photosynthesis) sits at and drives the bottom of the global food chain! Also, if you really want all this so called pollution stopped, you’d better stop breathing as that will avoid a bit more CO2 being produced. Do try and think outside of the current scare stories – there’s a lot to learn you know. Alternately, if you don’t like the climate where you live, go live somewhere else – you know, warmer in the tropical regions and cooler towards the poles.

  2. Oh, and another thing – it was good to see Bill Shorten supporting the future development of Whyalla Steelworks in South Australia – good for jobs and good for the economy and there’s even a plan for a solar power installation to drive local horticulture developments. But can somebody please ask Mr Shorten how he intends to provide sufficient cheap and reliable 24/7 power 365 days per year to drive a 10 million tonnes per year steel plant bearing in mind that in the event of a grid blackout, the 200MW ‘new beaut’ battery system installed in SA might just keep a much smaller aluminium smelter running for about 8 minutes. Right now SA wouldn’t have a hope of providing the power demands for that project and some serious head-scratching is required on the topic of future power generation if SA and Australia as a whole are to remain competitive in the processing and manufacturing industries.

    • I fully support the statements of Mr. Viv Forbes and Richard Blayden. It is natural processes which control global temperatures and not a trace gas which amounts to around 400 parts per million. The major greenhouse gas is water vapour which accounts for some 99 percent of greenhouse gases. Just as well we’ve got it otherwise we would be like the moon which has no atmosphere and consequently suffers extreme temperatures differences between day and night.

  3. To the blind and the deaf fraternity who refuse to debate the issue of ‘climate change’ but spout the mantra that every climate event is caused by anthropogenic CO2 please stop and think rationally. Your comfortable lifestyle and every single bit of the material “wealth” you possess and enjoy is from the benefits of fossil fuel energy. Do you know what the subsidy cost for wind/solar will be by 2030? A mere $60 BILLION. Put a fraction of that into research to lower the CO2 of fossil fuel (if that’s what you desperately want) and it would be constructive. Sure there’s a place for renewable energy in the energy mix but NOT with massive tax payer handouts. So long as you climate change believers rely on 24/7/365 power for your lifestyle desist from throwing brickbats at those who question the science of the IPCC. Its called “DEBATE”.

  4. It’s all about money. Some of the rhetoric used by climate change addicts is on the dumb side of stupid; Statement… We must get rid of carbon: Answer… we’re a carbon based life from and without abundant carbon we die. Statement.. We must get rid of carbon dioxide: Answer.. without sufficient carbon dioxide the carbon cycle stops and we die. Statement …. We must stop burning fossil fuels Answer…. with solar, wind and renewables providing about 3% of global energy requirements that’s not a real brilliant suggestion. I came to Australia because the climate is mainly warm to hot having lived for 25 years in Canada where the whole bloody country is frozen for 6 months of the year. With a decent rise in temperature most of the far northern hemisphere would become habitable and arable. Most tourists head for tropical climates for their holidays, very few opt for Antarctica or the huge frozen wastes of Canada and Russia. Also the climate change addicts predicted (this is just one of their always wrong predictions) the demise of the polar bear due to global warming however the latest study showed an increase of some 30,000 of these bears and they are now approaching plague proportions. Finally if the climate change global warming convention were held in Australia and not frigid Poland the delegates wouldn’t have to be using massive diesel power to heat their venue and stop them from freezing to death.

  5. Interesting to read the responses: the first a short response based on emotion without a single fact; the next two at least supporting the response with facts. What a novel idea!

  6. Last night,our Foxtel service was shut down, thanks to the ham fisted development of the NBN network in our area , and I was forced to watch ABC 24 news. later in the evening it included an approximately ten minute segment devoted blatantly to furtherence of the global warming/climate change mythology,including excerpts of speeches by such scientific authorities as David Attenborough etc.Not so much as one word from any ‘sceptics’. Bias? Don’t be silly.

  7. Another question for ScoMo. Australia has spent about $7 billion on renewables and subsidies.

    What is the benefit we have received so farfor that HUGE expenditure?

    CO2 emissions are still rising, global warming is close to crisis levels (according to the cliamte catastrophists and doomsters) and we have converted our low cost reliable electricity supply to one of the world’s most expensive and less reliable, to the point where S.A. was completely blacked out (Sir Thomas Playford must be rolling in his grave!)

    All this to allegedly reduce CO2 emission, a gas whom John Tyndell – the discoverer of the IR absorption properties of numerous gases, said in his Tuesday 16 May 1865 lecture as ” one of the feeblest of absorbers” of what we called the calorific rays, (chapter 14) compared to water vapour as ” signalising itself as above all others by its enormous powers of absorption” (chap 13).

    Oh and plants LOVE CO2, I spent hours in an agriculture dome in Iceland where the CO2 concentration was 900 ppm. I felt fine and the plants were the healthiest plant I have ever seen.

  8. And still no one tables any empirical evidence that man made CO2 contributes to dangerous global warming – no one. All the UNIPCC, CSIRO and others have are poor performing computer models and such models as everyone knows are not evidence.

    And to quote the UNIPCC Third Assessment Report (TAR), working Group 1, The Science Basis, 14.2.2.2 (page 774 of the pdf version):

    “In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”

    “…prediction of future climate states is not possible.” is what the UNIPCC TAR science basis report says. Did the UNIPCC ‘Summary for Policy Makers’ include this statement? No it did not. Who reads and gets mislead by the Summary for Policy Makers – at least 174 countries including Australia.

  9. We have already ‘invested ‘ 70 billion in signalling our wish to hold back the sea of climate variation for a result of a tripling of power prices and zero difference on CO2 levels. CO2 levels have continued to climb, resulting in a greening of the world, the deserts of north Africa a re greening, crops will grow more efficiently, harvest more grain and become more drought tolerant as CO2 levels rise. Surely this is a good thing, more harvest means more people can be fed.

    But what could we have spent that wasted 70 billion australian dollars on instead of letting it blow away with the wind into a carpetbaggers pocket? Hospitals, roads, schools, all ptential gone. Wasted.

    I agree, government needs to be transparent and accounable. These questions above are valid, and need to be answered honestly and in full. It is the poor that have to pay for it all.

  10. Belief in anthropogenic (man induced) climate change is as naive as a belief in Santa Clause.
    Water vapour is the overwhelmingly important greenhouse gas, operating over a far wider radiation spectrum and much higher atmospheric concentration than carbon dioxide.
    Man’s contribution to the rise in this vital atmospheric gas carbon dioxide, is, according to the the IPCC AR5 Report, 3.8% from burning fossil fuels and 0.5% from land use change, a total of just 4.3%.
    So the 95.7% of the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide that results from natural causes, (such as release from the slowly warming oceans. ~71% of the Earth’s surface area), is apparently of no concern, but the minor human contribution from this relatively inconsequential minor greenhouse gas, is we are earnestly told, somehow now the principle cause of the current periodical warming period.
    The facts make this naive concept ludicrous and the proposed solutions futile.
    Anyone who takes the time to actually study the science and consider the empirical evidence can only come to the same conclusion.

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